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Military service makes you a man (or woman)?  

OwenMcCaffrey

4/24/2008 9:43 pm

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Does not having done military service make you less of a man(or woman)?
Yes
No
I don't know
sweetpepe
1329 posts 

4/26/2008 6:13 pm

Owen:

It s a pretty common to hear the "not a full male until you enter the military" theory being pushed in the Korean society. In one word, that s bullshit. It s part propaganda and part justification for the forced nature of military service. I interact with post-military Koreans at work when I am in Korea, and I don't find them any more masculine than "others". As I stated above, if anything, Korean-style military service makes men lacking leadership, less creative, and severly non-assertive. If this masculine, then, your Korean friends are right.

In my opinion, masculinity is learned earlier in male's life. During teenage years. What Westerners may lack as far as discipline in military, they make up for it in team sports or other organized activities that Korean kid do not have as much access to. (sorry for ending a sentence with a preposition).

OwenMcCaffrey
324 posts 

4/26/2008 4:20 am

The reason I started this blog/poll is because I have heard anecdotally that Korean women believe that "white" men are not "men" because htye have usually not served in the Army. But that Korean men have, sop they are "real men".

Is this view prevalent or have I been talking to whackjobs?

strawberrytea
547 posts 

4/25/2008 6:32 pm

I think military service is good for both kids and the country. But I am not sure whether it has anything to do with the manhood. But it may contribute to building up the sense of brotherhood, in my opinion

sweetpepe
1329 posts 

4/25/2008 3:02 am

I think I would have benefitted from going to Military. would have taught me more self discipline.
If I may speak for Koreans in korea where there is mandatory military service, I think there is more harm than good. As you say, Owen, it really hurts the creativity in people. Kids in their most independent thinking ages are (19 - 23) are forced to conform and think and act the same. This renders many adult Korean males to become passive and lacking leadership initiative. Kind of the antithesis to this Pepe malice.

GOOD Topic OWeN

zenriver
210 posts 

4/25/2008 2:39 am

People don't go into the Army in their early 20's. They go into the Army from ages 17 all the way up to age 42. Even older if they're prior service.

ren1957
344 posts 

4/24/2008 11:50 pm

EXCUSE ME!!! why are you ONLY REFERRING TO MEN ??there are woman out there serving their country and dying for their country ...You should rephrase your question!!

bintijua
406 posts 

4/24/2008 10:50 pm

I've seen men change after going into military with negative results, and some of them do not know what to do with themselves after getting out or retiring. The military teaches them discipline which can be good depending how the men use it, but the military's main role is for aggression/defense of the nation. The military men are taught to kill and defend themselves which by itself does not make them men but a tool that serves interest of their country.

OwenMcCaffrey
324 posts 

4/24/2008 9:49 pm

No it doesn't in my opinion because in the army the knind of things they learn are not the same as what it takes to "be a man" in the outside world.

The army can help peoples work ethic, courage, and male bonding but could also have harmful effects on mens' social skills and creativity.

Besides people go into the army when they are in their early 20's. I say if you are not already 99% of the man you will be by that time...then it is too late to start.

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